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Post by UD '01 grad » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:56 pm

For now, Big 12 moves forward.

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Post by Gannonfan » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:51 am

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Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
You could be right GF that no games will be played until there is a vaccine. But I do think there could be some level of infection control where football could resume without a vaccine that from what I read will be between 50-75 percent effective. I am not sure what the level of cases and deaths needs to be but it sure can’t be 50,000 plus cases and 1000 plus deaths a day we have now. The only way to reduce those numbers, which everyone should want are masks and limiting bars, restaurants and large gatherings. It is what is working in PA, DE, NJ etc ... If everyone in every state did these things, we would be in a better place. And it is ironic, that the states having the most problems now with the virus are for the most part the ones that haven’t cancelled football yet. Finally, there are many, many examples of infections at schools. UM looks to be an outlier. The SEC commissioner just today in an interview wouldn’t divulge the SEC numbers. Crazy times.
The thing is, again, is that it's not even infection control that is the driving force now. Now the fear is either any one single person dying or, as has come up with the Big 10 discussions, the chance that someone could have long term heart problems even after having COVID. Infection rates could be near nil and mitigation measures could be followed extremely well, and those fears will still persist because you can't lower those risks to absolute zero. It's why the Big 10 cancelled, it's why you see the vast majority of schools in PA for instance, even in counties and areas where the infection rates are well below the targets, say they're going all virtual for the long term. Sure there are still places that are backward in regards to wearing masks and taking this seriously, but the real concern is that even in places where masks are ubiquitous and compliance is exceptional, and infection rates and all the other measures look great, there is a general reluctance to take even the smallest risk without a proven vaccine in place. If that vaccine proves to be elusive or not as all-encompassing as people hope, then that reluctance will have to be something to be reckoned with.
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Post by Hens79 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:31 pm

Gannonfan wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:51 am
Hens79 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
You could be right GF that no games will be played until there is a vaccine. But I do think there could be some level of infection control where football could resume without a vaccine that from what I read will be between 50-75 percent effective. I am not sure what the level of cases and deaths needs to be but it sure can’t be 50,000 plus cases and 1000 plus deaths a day we have now. The only way to reduce those numbers, which everyone should want are masks and limiting bars, restaurants and large gatherings. It is what is working in PA, DE, NJ etc ... If everyone in every state did these things, we would be in a better place. And it is ironic, that the states having the most problems now with the virus are for the most part the ones that haven’t cancelled football yet. Finally, there are many, many examples of infections at schools. UM looks to be an outlier. The SEC commissioner just today in an interview wouldn’t divulge the SEC numbers. Crazy times.
The thing is, again, is that it's not even infection control that is the driving force now. Now the fear is either any one single person dying or, as has come up with the Big 10 discussions, the chance that someone could have long term heart problems even after having COVID. Infection rates could be near nil and mitigation measures could be followed extremely well, and those fears will still persist because you can't lower those risks to absolute zero. It's why the Big 10 cancelled, it's why you see the vast majority of schools in PA for instance, even in counties and areas where the infection rates are well below the targets, say they're going all virtual for the long term. Sure there are still places that are backward in regards to wearing masks and taking this seriously, but the real concern is that even in places where masks are ubiquitous and compliance is exceptional, and infection rates and all the other measures look great, there is a general reluctance to take even the smallest risk without a proven vaccine in place. If that vaccine proves to be elusive or not as all-encompassing as people hope, then that reluctance will have to be something to be reckoned with.

I don’t believe many are looking to reduce risk to absolute zero. If we were, indoor dining and bars would be closed. Look, I get it that many don’t think this is that big a deal and that many are over reacting out of “fear”. The fact is the virus is raging in many parts of the country in mid August. It just is. There were unbelievably 55,000 cases yesterday and almost 1400 deaths. That is a lot more than “nil”. That is a big reason for the “fear”. And I also disagree the real concern is that places that are doing relatively well now are being overly cautious rather than so many places that are “backwards” and not. If everyone was doing well now, as we could have been, I don’t believe we would be having as tough of discussions on school and football. It is just my opinion and a hypothetical. Anyway, while we wait for a vaccine, everyone should be doing what they can to control the infection rate. It matters and will certainly play a role if there is to be UD football next year unless there is a miracle, highly effective vaccine that can somehow be distributed nationwide quickly.

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Post by Hengrad07 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:50 pm

How many Healthy young adult athletes between the ages of 18-24 have died FROM Codid-19?
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Post by Gannonfan » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:59 pm

Hens79 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:31 pm
Gannonfan wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:51 am
Hens79 wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
You could be right GF that no games will be played until there is a vaccine. But I do think there could be some level of infection control where football could resume without a vaccine that from what I read will be between 50-75 percent effective. I am not sure what the level of cases and deaths needs to be but it sure can’t be 50,000 plus cases and 1000 plus deaths a day we have now. The only way to reduce those numbers, which everyone should want are masks and limiting bars, restaurants and large gatherings. It is what is working in PA, DE, NJ etc ... If everyone in every state did these things, we would be in a better place. And it is ironic, that the states having the most problems now with the virus are for the most part the ones that haven’t cancelled football yet. Finally, there are many, many examples of infections at schools. UM looks to be an outlier. The SEC commissioner just today in an interview wouldn’t divulge the SEC numbers. Crazy times.
The thing is, again, is that it's not even infection control that is the driving force now. Now the fear is either any one single person dying or, as has come up with the Big 10 discussions, the chance that someone could have long term heart problems even after having COVID. Infection rates could be near nil and mitigation measures could be followed extremely well, and those fears will still persist because you can't lower those risks to absolute zero. It's why the Big 10 cancelled, it's why you see the vast majority of schools in PA for instance, even in counties and areas where the infection rates are well below the targets, say they're going all virtual for the long term. Sure there are still places that are backward in regards to wearing masks and taking this seriously, but the real concern is that even in places where masks are ubiquitous and compliance is exceptional, and infection rates and all the other measures look great, there is a general reluctance to take even the smallest risk without a proven vaccine in place. If that vaccine proves to be elusive or not as all-encompassing as people hope, then that reluctance will have to be something to be reckoned with.

I don’t believe many are looking to reduce risk to absolute zero. If we were, indoor dining and bars would be closed. Look, I get it that many don’t think this is that big a deal and that many are over reacting out of “fear”. The fact is the virus is raging in many parts of the country in mid August. It just is. There were unbelievably 55,000 cases yesterday and almost 1400 deaths. That is a lot more than “nil”. That is a big reason for the “fear”. And I also disagree the real concern is that places that are doing relatively well now are being overly cautious rather than so many places that are “backwards” and not. If everyone was doing well now, as we could have been, I don’t believe we would be having as tough of discussions on school and football. It is just my opinion and a hypothetical. Anyway, while we wait for a vaccine, everyone should be doing what they can to control the infection rate. It matters and will certainly play a role if there is to be UD football next year unless there is a miracle, highly effective vaccine that can somehow be distributed nationwide quickly.
From what they said yesterday, and what's being reported, the decision to cancel all sports in the Big 10 and the Pac 12 had little to do with infection rates as it did with the potential complications of someone who had the virus and recovered, even if they were asymptomatic.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/290 ... yocarditis
One major factor that led to the Big Ten announcing the postponement of the 2020 fall sports season, including college football, was the long-term effects of the coronavirus.

According to Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic, the conference is aware of at least 10 players who have the rare heart condition myocarditis, which reportedly has a high prevalence in people who have had COVID-19.

This is considered an "alarmingly high number" of the rare condition caused by viruses and it has caused decision-makers across college athletics to reconsider their views, per Auerbach.
Even once a miracle, highly effective vaccine that can somehow be distributed nationwide quickly, becomes available, how high in percentage effective will that vaccine have to be to eliminate the chances of someone getting infected and being exposed to myocarditis? If we ever play sports again there'll have to be some acknowledgement that that risk won't be zero.
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At least 5 B1G athletes have Myocarditis

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... -viability

One of the first studies done in Germany estimates as many as 60% of hospitalized COVID patients that recovered have Myocarditis. I’m sure we have a lot more to learn.

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Essentially, the new research establishes a link between COVID-19 and myocarditis, or inflammation in the heart caused by viral infection, but a relatively weak one, Daniel Cantillon, MD, a cardiologist at Cleveland Clinic, tells Health.

According to Dr. Cantillon, myocarditis sounds a lot more severe than it usually is. In fact, many viruses have been linked to myocarditis, and most people who develop the condition continue to be fully functioning, Dr. Cantillon says—that includes working full-time and exercising. Myocarditis resulting from causes other than COVID-19 has been linked to arrhythmias (which occur when a patient has an irregular heartbeat) that can be life-threatening; however, “that is extremely rare,” Dr. Cantillon adds. Most patients who have myocarditis “have a very good quality of life.”
It’s also worth noting that the chances of a COVID-19 survivor suffering from myocarditis are rare, given what we know so far, Dr. Cantillon adds. While 60% of the patients featured in the second study showed myocardial inflammation, it's important to remember that the study's sample size was small, with just 100 patients. Also, most of these patients were symptomatic, some bad enough to require hospitalization. That's an important distinction to make, since the World Health Organization suggests 80% of all COVID-19 infections are mild or asymptomatic. But that's not to say we shouldn't discount the research, only that further investigation of the topic is needed, Dr. Cantillon says.

Further research has the potential to help doctors treat COVID-19 patients both while they’re sick and long-term. “We have to continue to become better informed about what’s the optimal way to treat those patients [with] severe illness,” Dr. Cantillon says. For example, he explains, if myocarditis is a threat to certain patients who get COVID-19, doctors might consider treating them with anti-inflammatory treatment.

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Post by UD27 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:45 pm

Big 12 is playing football this Sept.
The Big 12 Conference is moving ahead with its football season, announcing that fall sports will continue – with teams following safety precautions due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The conference hopes to hold its title game in December, as it normally would.

"Our student-athletes want to compete, and it is the Board's collective opinion that sports can be conducted safely and in concert with the best interests of their well-being," said Big 12 Board of Directors chair Victor Boschini, who is also the chancellor at Texas Christian University.
Expect the SEC and ACC to follow with fall football.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... all-season
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Post by Hens79 » Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:43 am

UD27 wrote:
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Big 12 is playing football this Sept.
The Big 12 Conference is moving ahead with its football season, announcing that fall sports will continue – with teams following safety precautions due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The conference hopes to hold its title game in December, as it normally would.

"Our student-athletes want to compete, and it is the Board's collective opinion that sports can be conducted safely and in concert with the best interests of their well-being," said Big 12 Board of Directors chair Victor Boschini, who is also the chancellor at Texas Christian University.
Expect the SEC and ACC to follow with fall football.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... all-season
Interesting juxtapositioning this announcement to try to play came on the day with the most virus deaths, nearly 1500 since early May. And also interesting that the states these universities are in including the SEC and ACC are now having record cases and deaths. We’ll see if they play and for long. Anyway, the B12 announcement to not quit wasn’t the biggest news of the day.

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Post by hens4life » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:34 am

Does ANYONE know how many of the 1,500 deaths were healthy athletes between the ages of 18 & 24... :D

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Post by Baltimore Hen » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:58 am

Hens79 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:43 am
UD27 wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:45 pm
Big 12 is playing football this Sept.
The Big 12 Conference is moving ahead with its football season, announcing that fall sports will continue – with teams following safety precautions due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The conference hopes to hold its title game in December, as it normally would.

"Our student-athletes want to compete, and it is the Board's collective opinion that sports can be conducted safely and in concert with the best interests of their well-being," said Big 12 Board of Directors chair Victor Boschini, who is also the chancellor at Texas Christian University.
Expect the SEC and ACC to follow with fall football.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... all-season
Interesting juxtapositioning this announcement to try to play came on the day with the most virus deaths, nearly 1500 since early May. And also interesting that the states these universities are in including the SEC and ACC are now having record cases and deaths. We’ll see if they play and for long. Anyway, the B12 announcement to not quit wasn’t the biggest news of the day.
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Post by jd of de » Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:19 am

Southland suspends fall sports until the spring but football programs are free to play non-conference games.

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