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5th year players

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Re: 5th year players

Post by hens4life » Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:24 am

As a result, Delaware has extended the scholarship aid of those players through spring semester, despite the added cost at a time when university budgets are stretched. The same goes for athletes in other fall sports.
Which 5th-year players are "extended" through December 2021 ??? :shock:

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Re: 5th year players

Post by BlueHenBill » Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:01 am

Some Open Issues -

1. If no Spring 2021 FB, possible extension of schollies to Jan 2022.

2. Extensiion of schollies for all other Fall Sports thru Spring 2021 and/or to Jan 2022.

3. If no Fall Sports until Fall 2021, number of players for all Fall Sports who would be eligible to return in Fall 2021 and number that would do so.

4. If schollies are extended into Jan 2022, effect on schollies available for all Fall Sports for recruiting classes arriving on campus in Sep 2021.

5. An additional year of eligibility for all athletes (regardless of class year) if no Fall Sports until Fall 2021.

6. Same issues for any Winter Sports if not played until Fall 2020/Winter 2021.
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Re: 5th year players

Post by af5934 » Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:58 pm

BlueHenBill wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:01 am
Some Open Issues -

1. If no Spring 2021 FB, possible extension of schollies to Jan 2022.

2. Extensiion of scholies for all other Fall Sports thru Spring 2021 and/or to Jan 2022.

3. If no Fall Sports until Fall 2021, number of players for all Fall Sports who would be eligible to return in Fall 2021 and number that would do so.

4. If schollies are extended into Jan 2022, effect on schollies available for all Fall Sports for recruiting classes arriving on campus in Sep 2021.

5. An additoonal year of elibibility for all athletes (regardless of class year) if no Fall Sports until Fall 2021.

6. Same issues for any Winter Sports if not played until Fall 2020/Wintwr 2021.
This is something the NCAA needs to hurry and clarify quickly so that no school over recruits and has to rescind an offer right before signing day or have kids sign and then have to pull scholarships from the 2020 roster to cover the 2021 recruits. Makes sense for the NCAA to allow FCS schools to offer up to 75 scholarships for the next 2 years, while FBS get their jump up to 100 through the end of the 2022-2023 academic calendar years. Of course funding will need to be raised but if you have some academic stalwarts you move them to academic scholarships to fund money for the new recruits as well as returning seniors who would have came off the books in December 2020 if the season had went through as previously thought.

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Re: 5th year players

Post by jd of de » Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:44 pm

Figuring out how to do a spring season, followed by a season will be difficult but I agree with the thought the NCAA needs to make some decisions about eligibility. A) if we have a spring season and B) if we only have a 2021 fall season.

Players, their families and the football staffs shouldn’t be completely in the dark even if we live in time of uncertainty.

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Re: 5th year players

Post by tenn hen » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:13 am

+1 Yours is the voice of reason in a time of that limited attribute :roll: the ncaa is not at the top of my list!
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Re: 5th year players

Post by UDJoe » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:12 am

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Figuring out how to do a spring season, followed by a season will be difficult but I agree with the thought the NCAA needs to make some decisions about eligibility. A) if we have a spring season and B) if we only have a 2021 fall season.

Players, their families and the football staffs shouldn’t be completely in the dark even if we live in time of uncertainty.
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I have heard some proposals from coaches that would have the spring football schedule end by May 15, with the fall season opening in early October (assuming positive developments on the COVID front).

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Re: 5th year players

Post by jd of de » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:27 pm

UDJoe wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:12 am
jd of de wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:44 pm
Figuring out how to do a spring season, followed by a season will be difficult but I agree with the thought the NCAA needs to make some decisions about eligibility. A) if we have a spring season and B) if we only have a 2021 fall season.

Players, their families and the football staffs shouldn’t be completely in the dark even if we live in time of uncertainty.
I have heard some proposals from coaches that would have the spring football schedule end by May 15, with the fall season opening in early October (assuming positive developments on the COVID front).
That sounds like a 6 game spring season with a modified playoff and a 8 game fall season with a full playoff. IMO the longer the spring season the short the fall season becomes.

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Re: 5th year players

Post by Henny » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:41 pm

I'll take games in the spring if possible. Six games are better than none and it would be understandable to push the 2021 season back. The demands on the student athletes are enough already.

I'm thinking UD is the first in the CAA to extent the ships through Spring 21 for Seniors.
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Re: 5th year players

Post by af5934 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:10 am

Henny wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:41 pm
I'll take games in the spring if possible. Six games are better than none and it would be understandable to push the 2021 season back. The demands on the student athletes are enough already.

I'm thinking UD is the first in the CAA to extent the ships through Spring 21 for Seniors.
The CAA could follow the SWAC's lead and start a spring schedule similar to this. Games start end of February and wrap up the end of April. Give kids mandatory 2 months off and they return July 1st for fall camp. 6-7 game season for those interested in playing and getting film and in our league most kids want as much film as possible because most will be Day 2-3 picks at best. Now the P5 conferences will have a much harder time convincing their kids to play a spring season followed by a full fall schedule just 3 months later.

https://swac.org/news/2020/8/14/swac-re ... edule.aspx

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Re: 5th year players

Post by BlueHenBill » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:19 pm

UD/CAA woudn't need to return to Camp until early Aug would they? If so, Spring FB season could be early Mar to early May.
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Re: 5th year players

Post by jd of de » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:48 pm

I’ve posted this before but will remind everyone. Look at the number of players in past years held out of spring ball under a normal schedule due to injury or recovery from surgery.

Expecting to field a team 2 months after they have played 6 games, plus whatever playoff games there are isn’t realistic. The SWAC schedule, who don’t participate in the playoffs, are giving players 4 months between the end of the spring season and the start of fall camp.

IMO you can’t make that recovery time any shorter than 4 months and expect to field a roster of scholarship players. The more you try to do in the spring the less you will be able to do in the fall. It’s a choice and you can’t have it all.

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Re: 5th year players

Post by BlueHenBill » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:14 pm

jd of de, So 4 months prior to early Aug camp would be final Spring game by NLT the beginning of April. So at most 8 games from early Feb to early Apr or 6 games from mid-Feb to early Apr. Either way, very cold start to season and no time for playoffs.
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Re: 5th year players

Post by jd of de » Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:05 am

BlueHenBill wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:14 pm
jd of de, So 4 months prior to early Aug camp would be final Spring game by NLT the beginning of April. So at most 8 games from early Feb to early Apr or 6 games from mid-Feb to early Apr. Either way, very cold stat to season and no time for playoffs.
If you’re stuck on a August camp, which you seem to be, then yes the spring season won’t look like much of a season. Whatever you do in the spring will affect what you can do in the fall.

If there is a spring season that includes playoffs the fall season will probably look very similar; abbreviated.

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Re: 5th year players

Post by jd of de » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:40 am

NCAA decision on extending eligibility and roster limits expected as early as this Friday.

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