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Coastal Con: Maine, New Hampshire, Rhody, Bryant, Albany, Stony Brook, Monmouth, Towson, Hampton, Elon, Campbell, and NC A&T
Not a bad guess, BG...but those northern teams will continue to be stretched flying down to the Carolinas for all sports. Gas, by design, ain't getting any cheaper. Perhaps a northern conference with Maine, UNH, Rhody, Albany, Bryant, Stony and Monmouth...Maybe LIU?
Towson can split off and be with the southern folks. Funny, Towson was in the Patriot League in the late 1990s. Also, they list Morgan State as one of their long-time rivals as well as playing Hampton/Norfolk St and other teams that appear to be on the CAA's future radar.
Tubby: 3 national titles, one won on the field, all D2
Keeler: 3 national titles, all won on the field, one as a player, two as a coach, 1 D2, 2 FCS
Carty: 2 on-field national titles, one as a player, one as an OC, both FCS
Hens79 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:04 pm
For sure, W&M and UR are “happy where we are”. You guys did it to yourselves. UD until just the last year or so used to be there too. But the world changes and you have to try to keep up and do the best you can. If you think that includes playing against Hampton, Monmouth, Bryant, NC A&T, let alone Elon, Albany and Stony Brook, good for you and your fans. But the CAA probably is all the capability you likely both have now. And if you don’t think most of your fans would prefer Sun Belt football, you must be in an insular group, which is likely. UD used to have many of them too. Thankfully, UD looks like they finally doing what it should have been done decades ago.
We will have 12,000 at homecoming against Towson. If you polled them and asked if they would prefer to be in the Sun Belt, you wouldn’t get 20% to say yes. More than half wouldn’t even know the league. If anyone is insular, it’s the small collection of football board posters (like us) who think the world revolves around minor league college football (that’s G5 and FCS).
P5 is moving up. G5 isn’t.
And the Patriot? Possible but unlikely. If it was a choice between that and the Sun Belt (or MAC) - I’d prefer a Patriot with UR and Villanova - you know, schools are students and alumni actually have connections. Not Georgia State and Eastern Michigan.
Of course you would. And congrats. You held off on the academic snobbery longer than I anticipated. The W&M old guard makes UD’s look like pikers. But even UD’s know it is time for a change and can read the writing on the wall.
Hey, maybe you could do a poll on the W&M board and you could test out your 20 and 50 percent predictions?
Hens79 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:04 pm
For sure, W&M and UR are “happy where we are”. You guys did it to yourselves. UD until just the last year or so used to be there too. But the world changes and you have to try to keep up and do the best you can. If you think that includes playing against Hampton, Monmouth, Bryant, NC A&T, let alone Elon, Albany and Stony Brook, good for you and your fans. But the CAA probably is all the capability you likely both have now. And if you don’t think most of your fans would prefer Sun Belt football, you must be in an insular group, which is likely. UD used to have many of them too. Thankfully, UD looks like they finally doing what it should have been done decades ago.
We will have 12,000 at homecoming against Towson. If you polled them and asked if they would prefer to be in the Sun Belt, you wouldn’t get 20% to say yes. More than half wouldn’t even know the league. If anyone is insular, it’s the small collection of football board posters (like us) who think the world revolves around minor league college football (that’s G5 and FCS).
P5 is moving up. G5 isn’t.
And the Patriot? Possible but unlikely. If it was a choice between that and the Sun Belt (or MAC) - I’d prefer a Patriot with UR and Villanova - you know, schools are students and alumni actually have connections. Not Georgia State and Eastern Michigan.
Of course you would. And congrats. You held off on the academic snobbery longer than I anticipated. The W&M old guard makes UD’s look like pikers. But even UD’s know it is time for a change and can read the writing on the wall.
Hey, maybe you could do a poll on the W&M board and you could test out your 20 and 50 percent predictions?
What academic snobbery? It’s about peer schools, isn’t that your whole point? Academic snobbery is just the strawman used by those who have lost the argument,
Former UD AD Eric Zaidy said the exact same thing about moving up to the Sun Belt or CUSA that it “wasn’t moving up”. Yet it’s proven if you stay stationary you move down.
bluehenbillk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Former UD AD Eric Zaidy said the exact same thing about moving up to the Sun Belt or CUSA that it “wasn’t moving up”. Yet it’s proven if you stay stationary you move down.
Tell that to Sitting Bull. This dude is the oldest of the Old Guard. And he is protecting more in small time snobbery and sanctimony at W&M than anyone at UD could ever muster. Thankfully, times have changed at least a little at UD. If things changed even more at UD, the Hens would be in the Sun Belt. But the MAC will do for now.
bluehenbillk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Former UD AD Eric Zaidy said the exact same thing about moving up to the Sun Belt or CUSA that it “wasn’t moving up”. Yet it’s proven if you stay stationary you move down.
Real life proof of the old adage “you’re moving backwards if you aren’t going forward”. UD has truly found what backwards looks like. But, hey, maybe the team will carry through this year for a great season. Go Hens!
Both NDSU and SDSU are mentioned here as possible FBS targets. Interesting and creative, though maybe unworkable, scenario. In any case, it seems NDSU, like UD, is clearly interested in discussing FBS membership opportunities.
Multiple sources have told me {NDSU's] athletic department has made it known to the Mountain West, and perhaps other mid-major FBS leagues like the American Athletic Conference, that it would be interested in discussing membership if the opportunity arises.
bluehenbillk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Former UD AD Eric Zaidy said the exact same thing about moving up to the Sun Belt or CUSA that it “wasn’t moving up”. Yet it’s proven if you stay stationary you move down.
There was a time, maybe in that 2000-2010 window when the CAA was dominant nationally and it was filled with all the best programs in FCS, that the G5 was not really a step up. But it was just at the end of that time, and soon afterwards, that there was a substantial move of programs, and good programs, from FCS to the G5 - Georgia Southern, Appy St, Troy St, UMass, etc, that helped to finally tip the balance to the G5, and it's been no looking back ever since. FCS is clearly the 3rd level of football at best and it's never going to be better than that. Zaidy was the guy that said all of these schools, and others, would be coming back to this level pretty soon, and the only school that ever did was Idaho and there were very specific reasons why that happened that aren't applicable to anyone else.
Delaware has historically played at that second level of football - to continue to do that and not sink into irrelevance we have to move up, and quickly.
bluehenbillk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 7:02 pm
Former UD AD Eric Zaidy said the exact same thing about moving up to the Sun Belt or CUSA that it “wasn’t moving up”. Yet it’s proven if you stay stationary you move down.
Tell that to Sitting Bull. This dude is the oldest of the Old Guard. And he is protecting more in small time snobbery and sanctimony at W&M than anyone at UD could ever muster. Thankfully, times have changed at least a little at UD. If things changed even more at UD, the Hens would be in the Sun Belt. But the MAC will do for now.
I can read. No need to get condescending, it’s sports board. And the topic is interesting. Try participating without insulting people. Dude.
Bluewyn Gold wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:43 am
Both NDSU and SDSU are mentioned here as possible FBS targets. Interesting and creative, though maybe unworkable, scenario. In any case, it seems NDSU, like UD, is clearly interested in discussing FBS membership opportunities.
Multiple sources have told me {NDSU's] athletic department has made it known to the Mountain West, and perhaps other mid-major FBS leagues like the American Athletic Conference, that it would be interested in discussing membership if the opportunity arises.
Like I said before, with geography starting to be no issue at all for the P5 schools (e.g. Stanford and Cal to the ACC) you'd have to think that the previous geographic barriers to NDSU moving up would also start to wither. And like UD, NDSU can't help but see the deterioration of the FCS and the growing gap between the FCS and G5.
Time to repeat myself. It's about who you can schedule, how much you get paid and the conference revenue. Here is the same possible conference schedule. You can throw in culture fit, academics etc.
vs Villanova
at Navy
vs Temple
at James Madison
vs Buffalo
at Akron
vs Toledo
at Miami (OH)
vs Ohio
at Ball State
vs Kent State
at UMass
Buy games, same year and opponent Penn State, UMass 1.6M and Delaware 400k.
IRS Form 990, Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax, July 2021-June 2022:
CAA 9.1M
MAC 35.7M
Sitting bull wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:56 amI can read. No need to get condescending, it’s sports board. And the topic is interesting. Try participating without insulting people. Dude.
In fairness to you as our guest here, you really stepped in the shxtting bullstuff with your "P5 is moving up. G5 isn't" canard. How could you have known that a former disgraced UD AD peddled a remarkably nonsensical aphorism while helping to dismantle the UD football program?
You either don't know or don't care that various Delaware administrations have put our fanbase through the wringer over the last 20+ years. Yeah, we're a little sensitive to sniffing out stink when read or hear it. The sort of crapola that might pass for wisdom with the 'Burg's ancient QB Clubbers or Richmond's red sweater crowd just won't cut it here.
Recommendation: if you want to avoid becoming a complete pariah on GoHens, Google search "Eric Ziady quotes" and avoid posting them here at all cost. Otherwise, proceed at your own risk.
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