Poll: Do national hopes improve with Saturday loss?

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Poll: Would you rather see the Hens ...

Poll ended at Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:46 pm

- Beat Villanova, earn bye as No. 8 seed, but have another potential visit to South Dakota State looming in quarterfinals.
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- Lose to Villanova, host playoff game on Thanksgiving weekend, but be bracketed away from S.D. State before championship round.
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Beat Villanova. End of convesation for me. We better not be thinking about the playoffs. I care more about beating Villanova than playoff seeding.
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Amen HRock ! The sport's world has gradually shifted to labeling teams successful who get hot for a brief period of time yet are nothing special for the majority of their seasons. This is a good football team but compared to who? Not Penn State we already know. If we do lose to Nova , and I can't believe someone actually voted that was OK , and beat the Wesley Alumni and St Joe's Intermural champs before being faced with a strong FCS squad that is a super bummer and I question the success of our season.

Not only do you have to play the best to be the best . You have to beat Nova to even be the best college team within 50 miles.
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udsb97 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:43 am Amen HRock ! The sport's world has gradually shifted to labeling teams successful who get hot for a brief period of time yet are nothing special for the majority of their seasons. This is a good football team but compared to who? Not Penn State we already know. If we do lose to Nova , and I can't believe someone actually voted that was OK , and beat the Wesley Alumni and St Joe's Intermural champs before being faced with a strong FCS squad that is a super bummer and I question the success of our season.

Not only do you have to play the best to be the best . You have to beat Nova to even be the best college team within 50 miles.
Fair question as one could say Delaware lost to Elon again

But I don’t think anyone is looking forward to playing Delaware in the playoffs right now.

Beat Villanova

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HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:19 am No season is complete without beating Nova.
I don't care how "far" we go in the playoffs before getting beat (unless we don't get beat!). Maybe it looks better on paper to go 3 rounds before hitting SDSU but that is all cosmetic.
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Just win saturday and let things fall into place
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Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


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That would be a road victory over Internet School for the Blind though, so that's something. The Kellers are tough at home.
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HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:41 am Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


I'll pass.
All off season you told us how this was going to be a rebuilding year. So 8-3 with a trip to the semis wouldn’t then be a successful season? With all due respect, that doesn’t make sense…
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HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:41 am Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


I'll pass.
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Udforever1 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:52 am
HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:41 am Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


I'll pass.
All off season you told us how this was going to be a rebuilding year. So 8-3 with a trip to the semis wouldn’t then be a successful season? With all due respect, that doesn’t make sense…
Carty with his outstanding use of the portal, has demonstrated that “rebuilding” is a thing of the past. He got to work and reloaded to win now. That’s why I like Carty as he understands it’s about talent.
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HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:41 am Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


I'll pass.
Huh?

Without a seed, we would have to play 3 games (not two) to get to the semis.

If we lose to nova, we don’t get a seed or a 1st round bye. That means we play the first weekend where we would play (usually) at patsy (in this case, probably a Patriot Patsy named Laffy). Laffy beat a solid Holy Cross team. The next weekend would be the round of 16, where we could face Albany. Albany beat nova…and will probably get a share of the CAA title and a possible seed. So, a CAA champ that beat nova…patsy or not?

If we win that game, we’d be down to the final 8…which theoretically would involve a game against another Top 10 team. The one projection has us against Montana. Frankly, I think Montana is not a bad match up (MSU and SDSU lines are going to push us into the next dimension). A win against Montana would be a nice accomplishment and would get us into the semis against the Furman/Idaho winner…a MUCH better match up than SDSU or MSU.

In any case, we have a better shot to win if we avoid SDSU and MSU. Winning 2 or even 3 playoff games would be an improvement from the Lost Decade.
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Cluck U wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:30 am




Without a seed, we would have to play 3 games (not two) to get to the semis.

If we lose to nova, we don’t get a seed or a 1st round bye. That means we play the first weekend where we would play (usually) at patsy (in this case, probably a Patriot Patsy named Laffy). Laffy beat a solid Holy Cross team. The next weekend would be the round of 16, where we could face Albany. Albany beat nova…and will probably get a share of the CAA title and a possible seed. So, a CAA champ that beat nova…patsy or not?

If we win that game, we’d be down to the final 8…which theoretically would involve a game against another Top 10 team. The one projection has us against Montana. Frankly, I think Montana is not a bad match up (MSU and SDSU lines are going to push us into the next dimension). A win against Montana would be a nice accomplishment and would get us into the semis against the Furman/Idaho winner…a MUCH better match up than SDSU or MSU.

In any case, we have a better shot to win if we avoid SDSU and MSU. Winning 2 or even 3 playoff games would be an improvement from the Lost Decade.
Clucker,

Hard to argue with your optimistic view of some playoff success. But another loss to Nova would be one more gut shot at a time we don't need one. And to the move up guys, we need to start regularly beating the better teams in the CAA and FCS to become ready for a successful shift to FBS. However, "I'm hooked on a feeling" that we win on Saturday and begin the climb to become relevant again.

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Super Chicken wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:28 pm And to the move up guys, we need to start regularly beating the better teams in the CAA and FCS to become ready for a successful shift to FBS.
Appreciate your passion and, I apologize in advance, but I'm going to call BS on this horsebleep line every time it gets posted. For the hundredth time, FCS performance has little to do with determining competitiveness post-reclassification. If we're doing things the right way, the roster UD will develop after its two-year transition will look nothing like it does as an FCS program.

Beating VU? Absolutely. It's always a tragedy when we don't. Win an FCS trophy? Absolutely! Let's get another one of those on our way out the door. All that said, the 2024 season is a non-sequitur to football reclassification. Boise State, UCF, Coastal Carolina, and maybe even Liberty are proof that FCS performance means nothing after you reclassify. Zilch.
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Udforever1 wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:52 am
HensRock wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:41 am Scenario:
We lose to Villanova.
We then Vanquish Little Sisters of the Poor and the Internet School for the Blind on our way to the semifinals, where we finally meet up with one of the few really good FCS teams and we get Annihilated.

Sounds like there are some here who would call that a successful season. Ah,.. "National Semifinalist". Way to go Team!


I'll pass.
All off season you told us how this was going to be a rebuilding year. So 8-3 with a trip to the semis wouldn’t then be a successful season? With all due respect, that doesn’t make sense…
UDF, a nutty, hypothetical poll allows for nutty, hypothetical and even nonsensical responses. And it just wasn’t in the off season either. It was a constant diet of doom during the entire season. So the goal posts will constantly be moved to match that where a trip to the semis isn’t even enough. Oh well ….
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Bluewyn Gold wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:39 pm
Super Chicken wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:28 pm And to the move up guys, we need to start regularly beating the better teams in the CAA and FCS to become ready for a successful shift to FBS.
If we're doing things the right way, the roster UD will develop after its two-year transition will look nothing like it does as an FCS program.
If true, we should win the CUSA the first year were eligible because Delawares “rinky-dink” as you say, FCS roster would fair very well in CUSA just as it is right now.
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