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Re: Charleston

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Hens79 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:04 am
rooneyguy wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:43 am
Hens79 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:08 am

And the “it’s the fans” chorus plays on. smh

And I haven’t seen a single funding request that included the NEZ. Did I miss one?
I have had several conversations with UD about the NEZ project. My assumption is that they are talking with those who have previously responded to requests for support in order to reach a particular goal before going public for additional funds (and to fit the cost to what they can reasonably afford). Perhaps that's why you have not seen/heard such a request? The intention to do something with the NEZ is not a secret. In any case, the lack of success in raising the needed funding is increasingly apparent with every passing month. Waiting for others (e.g. Taylor Swift's father, Joe Flacco, Matt Nagy, etc.) to pay the tab is not a serious strategy.
I get multiple requests from UD monthly. Each show what I have contributed over the years and none have stated anything about the NEZ. If it is “no secret”, just announce it. Quit playing this ridiculous game about having to line up so many big donors first. UD is going to loose enough FBS momentum and excitement playing the bad (but understandable) schedule this fall. It is time to announce the NEZ project and get on with it.
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Re: Charleston

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As far as UD Hoops goes,

No one is wrong in their opinions.

But...........................Maybe UD is very content with MI?? IDK

He runs a clean program.
17-20 wins now seem to be the norm
He's in the top half of the CAA year in year out now
As 79 states, you have the run of 22
He can recruit, keeping it here is not quite as successful

Is this the desired Mid Major Coach??? Asking for a friend.
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Re: Charleston

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UDPat wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:20 am As far as UD Hoops goes,

No one is wrong in their opinions.

But...........................Maybe UD is very content with MI?? IDK

He runs a clean program.
17-20 wins now seem to be the norm
He's in the top half of the CAA year in year out now
As 79 states, you have the run of 22
He can recruit, keeping it here is not quite as successful

Is this the desired Mid Major Coach??? Asking for a friend.
You already know my answer to that question, so I won’t pile on other than to say I’m super envious of what Pat Kelsey has done down in Charleston. I can already hear the “yeah but” excuses coming from some…
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Re: Charleston

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Wait…there is some doubt about the lack of fan interest and the lack of fundraising ? :shock: :lol:

If the Bob were packed, and there was a buzz about UD’s athletic teams, we’d see movement with fundraising, both from a fan perspective and an insitutional one. UD would certainly feel more empowered to attach a student fee to help provide regular support. UD, and the local/state politicians, would also feel empowered to provide more funding (read taxpayer money) for UD athletic endeavors.

And it isn’t just the support form the local fans that can attend games that is the problem. UD isn’t going to fund many multi-million dollar sports expansions from a group of locals. UD students, almost across the board, don’t care about UD sports…and haven’t for a long, long time. That, of course, means the alumni, as a whole, have many decades of not linking their happy/impactful UD experiences specifically to UD sports.

Why would a successful or regular UD alum ever think to donate their money to UD sports if they have not attended many games? Why would someone give money to something that hasn’t given them “thrills” to remember? Given the choice between donating to sports versus their school/major, people normally give to what they believe gives them the best value/memories for their money.

The magic money machine of using other people’s money (except int he case of taxes) only works if other people are emotionally and/or financially invested in providing that money.

UD killed the golden goose when they spit on generations of emotionally invested fans and their families. If UD had implemented increased fundraising in a slow, more managed way, they would have much better success. Unfortunately, we are left with a very hard road to get back to where people (locals, alumni, sponsors, etc.) are emotionally and financially willing to invest in UD athletics. It can be done, but it isn’t going to happen overnight.
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Re: Charleston

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Charleston should do well in the A10.
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Re: Charleston

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Hengrad07 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:51 am Charleston should do well in the A10.
I agree. Charleston, UNCW, Drexel, Hofstra can take next steps as a collective by moving to another conference where the main sport is their main sport. They've all been successful in the CAA for quite some time, but does the additions of Monmouth, Campbell, NC A&T, Campbell, Stony Brook, Hampton, and Bryant really excite them?

Regionally, it will stink not being able to travel to road games as easily for the Hens, but I am curious to see this program in a conference where football is the driver for all programs within it. Just a couple of seasons away.
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Re: Charleston

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The very long version of “it’s the fans”.

UD just did something very bold by announcing the move to FBS. The need to keep the momentum going.

Blaming the fans for slow walking the NEZ would be the business as usual from UD I thought was in the process of being abandoned.

Just friggen get it done.
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Re: Charleston

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UDPat wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:20 am As far as UD Hoops goes,

No one is wrong in their opinions.

But...........................Maybe UD is very content with MI?? IDK

He runs a clean program.
17-20 wins now seem to be the norm
He's in the top half of the CAA year in year out now
As 79 states, you have the run of 22
He can recruit, keeping it here is not quite as successful

Is this the desired Mid Major Coach??? Asking for a friend.
Really good points Pat. I’m torn on MI. As 79 points out, it’s year 8 and we are consistently always a 4-6 seed. While we have the title in 22, and in the end that is what matters, I think it’s a bit ridiculous we haven’t had at least one dominant CAA, 1-2 seed type season.

I think MI has built this program up to the point where a down season is now last year, where the Hens went 17-16, instead of those years where a down season was 7-24.

Just feel like this program should be and can be better. Is MI the guy to have us take that next step? I feel like we would know by now in year 8.

I’m not calling for the guy’s job, but like you said, UD is maybe pretty content with what they have. But I’d be lying if he didn’t remind me a little bit of Matt Brady. Clean program, got hot one year to win a title (even if it was only 7 teams), will get you that 20 win season occasionally. But the program is never really a serious CAA threat.
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Re: Charleston

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UD '01 grad wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:17 pm Two Hens timeouts used with 1:45 left in first half and 17:38 left in second half immediately following UD scores.

Both were followed by Charleston buckets as the next scoring plays.
Udforever1 wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 10:41 pm Don’t have much to say about our team. What I will say is that it was an absolute treat to watch Charleston tonight. What a well coached, well oiled machine.
Both posts spot on. My buddy and I were saying the same thing about Charleston and how the coaching difference was night and day.

I know I am sounding like a broken record about MI's use of time outs, but it is obvious he is not learning from his mistakes as pointed out by UD '01. MI keeps doing this, killing momentum, and letting the other coach set up a play. As the oft-quoted definition of insanity states - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Is he stubborn or obtuse? How can a coach expect improve his players when he cannot improve himself?

A few items in general:
    • The $5 beer specials on Thirsty Thursdays are a great thing!
    • why does there continue to be only half the dance squad at most games?
    • I know for sure that the AD is entertaining corporate clients at hoops games and seeking donations.
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Re: Charleston

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:lol:

Just get it done. :roll:

Again..with the magic of other people’s money.

EVERYONE who follows Delaware football KNOWS that UD wants to build a new facility. Heck, it has been publicly known and announced for quite some time. ZERO reason to wait…just write your check.

No need for another announcement for the true fan. Just send a check in with the note that your donation is to be used for the new addition. Easy as pie. Commit.

What’s that? You don’t want to write that check yet? :shock: :lol: Waiting for something? :P

Seems as though some fans are sheep (also, cheap). No initiative. Waiting for others to jump in with the big money before making a commitment. Funny thing…some big donors like to wait until they see a lot more general support, from fans and all, before THEY make their donation.

A chicken’s game of playing chicken.

Going back to the same well of wealthy donors, without support from the fans, is a fool’s game. If those donors don’t see a positive reaction from their investment, they aren’t likely to continue donating.

Want to get something going? Put your money where your mouth is. Donate. If UD could announce that they suddenly received new stadium addition donations from 10,000 fans, at an average of $1,000…that would surely get some folks’ attention. Start a GoFundMe page and get 10,000 $100 donations…just for giggles.

No? Too much work?

Yeah…money talks, bullstuff walks.

UD isn’t marketing it/doing it correctly…according to some fans. Lots of criticism…yet those same fans can’t make a move to write a simple check.

Funny how that works. :lol:
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Re: Charleston

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Cluck U wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:31 pm :lol:

Just get it done. :roll:

Again..with the magic of other people’s money.

EVERYONE who follows Delaware football KNOWS that UD wants to build a new facility. Heck, it has been publicly known and announced for quite some time. ZERO reason to wait…just write your check.

No need for another announcement for the true fan. Just send a check in with the note that your donation is to be used for the new addition. Easy as pie. Commit.

What’s that? You don’t want to write that check yet? :shock: :lol: Waiting for something? :P

Seems as though some fans are sheep (also, cheap). No initiative. Waiting for others to jump in with the big money before making a commitment. Funny thing…some big donors like to wait until they see a lot more general support, from fans and all, before THEY make their donation.

A chicken’s game of playing chicken.

Going back to the same well of wealthy donors, without support from the fans, is a fool’s game. If those donors don’t see a positive reaction from their investment, they aren’t likely to continue donating.

Want to get something going? Put your money where your mouth is. Donate. If UD could announce that they suddenly received new stadium addition donations from 10,000 fans, at an average of $1,000…that would surely get some folks’ attention. Start a GoFundMe page and get 10,000 $100 donations…just for giggles.

No? Too much work?

Yeah…money talks, bullstuff walks.

UD isn’t marketing it/doing it correctly…according to some fans. Lots of criticism…yet those same fans can’t make a move to write a simple check.

Funny how that works. :lol:
+1000 Thank you for painting the picture so clearly.
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Re: Charleston

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Geesh! All I said was UD hasn’t announced the NEZ project and it should, especially if everyone knows it. And no throwing up on the key board, will change that.

Also, good to know one of UD’s biggest critics on almost everything is on board with this. It is a rarity.

This project needs to get publicly announced with a shovel in the ground date soon.
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Re: Charleston

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That’s another common one…when people presume to know how much others are donating to UD Athletics. Another attempt at blaming alumni and supporters for so many mis-steps by UD over the years. As others have already said, just find a way to make it happen. We got the Bob practice facilities built overnight somehow…
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Re: Charleston

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finpxz1 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:32 pm That’s another common one…when people presume to know how much others are donating to UD Athletics. Another attempt at blaming alumni and supporters for so many mis-steps by UD over the years. As others have already said, just find a way to make it happen. We got the Bob practice facilities built overnight somehow…
Now the U is crying poor and making cuts and hiring freezes I assume them putting any extra money in to “just get it done” is off the table right now unfortunately!
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Re: Charleston

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In the age of NIL and NCAA programs raking in donor money, I'm surprised that the football stadium and basketball arena don't have a corporate sponsor.

Companies like DuPont, WL Gore, and numerous banks could easily invest in the university and secure naming rights.

I'm unsure why this hasn't occurred yet. If there's a reason already provided, please inform me.
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