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Cluck U wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:43 am
Gannonfan wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 am
Baltimore Hen wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:31 pm


you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....
Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.
Yup.

The market will adapt. It would naturally, but ain't nobody got time for that. We have controls to put into place. These players can't realize their worth so we'll dazzle them with layers of...crap, really. Hundreds of colleges instead of 30 or so pro teams...and someone will try to find a way to make Utica football get a piece of the pie while others will try to convince us that Utica football doesn't deserve a piece of the pie. And don't forget those basketball schools that don't have a real football interest. :shock:

For now, the kids will make a shyte ton of money...as it should be. Gobble, gobble, gobble...eat it all up. Pay them.

The ones complaining? A bunch of control freaks that want others to take less money so that they can watch "their" gladiators in "their" coliseums. The performers got too uppity and are causing a bit of confusion for the folks that want to see the show...so bring forth the Roman Senate and the wealthy owners with rules to show them who's boss.

Have we really changed that much in 2,000 or so years? :lol:

I will sit back and enjoy the great college sports experiment, although I don't expect UD's football or basketball teams to ever really make another run at sports greatness. And it will be fascinating to watch what happens to the "non-revenue" sports once college players are considered employees.
Cluck U, What is the worth of any sport and what is it's future if fans (in the stands and/or distant viewers) are few and far between? Any sport needs good fan interest, attendance and viewing to survive and thrive.
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hensfan40yrs wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:44 pm
Gannonfan wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 am
Baltimore Hen wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:31 pm


you miss the point entirely and are really on the side of part of the problem. No one is saying they can't earn money at this point, but there is ZERO structure to it. The NFL for example has a salary cap, a slotted rookie pay scale, a free agency period that is limited, etc, etc, etc....It is not just a free for all of spending by every team in the league and the players are bound by rules too. College football is a free for all with tampering all over the country, players transferring to another school and collecting 6 figures and then transferring back to their original school having NEVER played a down for the other school and keeping the 100K. you have joe car dealer enticing players to go to a school now.....stuff that got SMU shut down and they are blatantly doing it in the open now. joe car dealer can offer endorsement contracts, but should not be able to do it as an inducement. only for enrolled students with a paper trail. There needs to be policy that is written in place. there will have to be a collegiate players union and these policies will need to be collectively bargained between the players and the universities....i.e.- the universities will be the "league" and the players will negotiate en masse with the "league" through their union leader. otherwise I'm afraid more nd more fans will show up as empty seats in years to come.....
Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.
period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better.

You mean playing a sport you love while getting a free education aint enough?? Thats getting screwed?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 1:41 pm And to think it all started as a friendly competition between competing universities

Let’s put together a football team and go play a competitive game on Saturday afternoon. Rivalry between schools was magical

Here’s an idea …. Why not give the universities back to the scholars and serious students ? Isn’t that who they’re supposed to be for?

And allow these young talented football players to test their market demand in a pre NFL league? If everyone is so excited to pay to watch these guys play, they should be able to make millions….

Call it whatever you want, but ask why should all of this stuff be happening under the guise of a college.
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jd of de wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:28 pm Power schools with strong alumni bases will remain power schools. We will seen new names added however, now that powerful alumni can legally channel corporate money into NIL.

Think Arkansas with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods and Jerry Jones money flowing freely to players now. Calapari knows exactly what he has to work with and the football program will be on the rise soon.

Tons of other examples like Allen’s Microsoft money to Oregon. Texas and Texas A&M oil baron alumni. On and on.

IMO Alabama in football and Kentucky in basketball are going to struggle to keep up.
I don’t know about that, there’s billions of PG money across the river from Cincinnati and Alabama ain’t your grand pappies Alabama. People are flowing out of the Northeast and the rust belt for southern states.
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BlueHenBill wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2024 6:24 pm
Cluck U wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:43 am
Gannonfan wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:05 am

Structure will come. This is all really new, like in the last 1-2 years new. And it's the right reaction for a system that was wrong for so long. People pining for the "glory years" of how it was are also being unrealistic that we'll ever go back to a period where athletes were being royally used and screwed by the academic institutions that really should've done better. Sure, it'll be different, but it won't be the wild wild west forever either. Players will still have plenty of mobility, hard to see that changing, and they'll move for a little more money at a different school, but there will eventually be some guiderails around this. Takes time though.
Yup.

The market will adapt. It would naturally, but ain't nobody got time for that. We have controls to put into place. These players can't realize their worth so we'll dazzle them with layers of...crap, really. Hundreds of colleges instead of 30 or so pro teams...and someone will try to find a way to make Utica football get a piece of the pie while others will try to convince us that Utica football doesn't deserve a piece of the pie. And don't forget those basketball schools that don't have a real football interest. :shock:

For now, the kids will make a shyte ton of money...as it should be. Gobble, gobble, gobble...eat it all up. Pay them.

The ones complaining? A bunch of control freaks that want others to take less money so that they can watch "their" gladiators in "their" coliseums. The performers got too uppity and are causing a bit of confusion for the folks that want to see the show...so bring forth the Roman Senate and the wealthy owners with rules to show them who's boss.

Have we really changed that much in 2,000 or so years? :lol:

I will sit back and enjoy the great college sports experiment, although I don't expect UD's football or basketball teams to ever really make another run at sports greatness. And it will be fascinating to watch what happens to the "non-revenue" sports once college players are considered employees.
Cluck U, What is the worth of any sport and what is it's future if fans (in the stands and/or distant viewers) are few and far between? Any sport needs good fan interest, attendance and viewing to survive and thrive.
Face it, a majority of fans are simply too busy to follow what is happening in the news, and most don’t make it a habit of following the rosters. Heck, half the football fans at any given game couldn’t name the starting 11 players…and most don’t even watch the entire game. They go for a good time and seem to love being assaulted for a couple hours by loud music and commercials.

Frankly, it will take time to see whether the new rules will dramatically drop fan attendance/interest. Those offended are the ones with the loudest voices on fan forums, but not necessarily the most numerous voices. Who knows how the new rules will impact fan interest.

People have been complaining about UD football for…ever…yet many are still here. UD announced the well received, We’re doing-it-like-the-SEC seat licenses and other nutty ideas that lost fans and revenue, yet it took several years for the attendance to drop…although it was steady…and a longer time for the ship to be righted (and we still aren’t where we were).

All through the various so-called bad football decisions of yesteryears, the SAWC teams still draw a shytload of people (and money) to their non-playoff-participating games and some D2 football teams draw more than most FCS teams. “Fanship” is a funny thing.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:36 am
jd of de wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:28 pm Power schools with strong alumni bases will remain power schools. We will seen new names added however, now that powerful alumni can legally channel corporate money into NIL.

Think Arkansas with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods and Jerry Jones money flowing freely to players now. Calapari knows exactly what he has to work with and the football program will be on the rise soon.

Tons of other examples like Allen’s Microsoft money to Oregon. Texas and Texas A&M oil baron alumni. On and on.

IMO Alabama in football and Kentucky in basketball are going to struggle to keep up.
I don’t know about that, there’s billions of PG money across the river from Cincinnati and Alabama ain’t your grand pappies Alabama. People are flowing out of the Northeast and the rust belt for southern states.
And heading right into regions where the temps will become unbelievably hot, have increasinly greater number & severity of destructive storms, and have decreasing supply of potable water.
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BlueHenBill wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:35 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:36 am
jd of de wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:28 pm Power schools with strong alumni bases will remain power schools. We will seen new names added however, now that powerful alumni can legally channel corporate money into NIL.

Think Arkansas with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods and Jerry Jones money flowing freely to players now. Calapari knows exactly what he has to work with and the football program will be on the rise soon.

Tons of other examples like Allen’s Microsoft money to Oregon. Texas and Texas A&M oil baron alumni. On and on.

IMO Alabama in football and Kentucky in basketball are going to struggle to keep up.
I don’t know about that, there’s billions of PG money across the river from Cincinnati and Alabama ain’t your grand pappies Alabama. People are flowing out of the Northeast and the rust belt for southern states.
And heading right into regions where the temps will become unbelievably hot, have ncreasinly greater number & severity of destructive storms, and have decreasing supply of potable water.
BHB,

Some like it hot

1959
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:18 pm
BlueHenBill wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:35 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:36 am

I don’t know about that, there’s billions of PG money across the river from Cincinnati and Alabama ain’t your grand pappies Alabama. People are flowing out of the Northeast and the rust belt for southern states.
And heading right into regions where the temps will become unbelievably hot, have ncreasinly greater number & severity of destructive storms, and have decreasing supply of potable water.
BHB,

Some like it hot

19594DCEF290-E508-4A85-8ED5-27C70CE5DDDC.jpeg
:lol:

Well done, CH.

Oooooh, the Earth is warming. Coming out of an ice age does that.
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Cluck U wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:15 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:18 pm
BlueHenBill wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:35 pm

And heading right into regions where the temps will become unbelievably hot, have ncreasinly greater number & severity of destructive storms, and have decreasing supply of potable water.
BHB,

Some like it hot

19594DCEF290-E508-4A85-8ED5-27C70CE5DDDC.jpeg
:lol:

Well done, CH.

Oooooh, the Earth is warming. Coming out of an ice age does that.
Cluck U, You probably won't live to see it, but your children and/or grandchildren probaly will. Within the next 50-77 years every where in the US below the Mason-Dixon Line will be uninhabitable.
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BlueHenBill wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:57 pm
Cluck U wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:15 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:18 pm

BHB,

Some like it hot

19594DCEF290-E508-4A85-8ED5-27C70CE5DDDC.jpeg
:lol:

Well done, CH.

Oooooh, the Earth is warming. Coming out of an ice age does that.
Cluck U, You probably won't live to see it, but your children and/or grandchildren probaly will. Within the next 50-77 years every where in the US below the Mason-Dixon Line will be uninhabitable.
UD doesn’t seem to be to worried BHB, in fact it sure looks like they are investing heavily in the south with their futuristic plan to keep all those classes full at UD…. Let’s face it, the pool of potential students is going down, the birth rate is at an all time low (I have noticed that young people don’t seem to have that 70’s swag anymore;) and the fight for the dwindling number of college students is on. I’m not convinced the move up to the new and improved 1AA is going to move the needle on attracting new students, but UD obviously thought they needed to do something because they paid that 5 million like paying a toll with EZ Pass …. You don’t even notice when you’re trying to survive or get where you want to go.

Assanis said “the costs — which will start in the FY2026 budget — are being covered through philanthropic donations. In the long run, the move will financially benefit UD by providing a more prominent platform to promote academic programs, research and admissions opportunities, especially in geographic areas with growing populations.”

Thanks for that quote DC
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Dear Chrissi Rawak,

The decision to invest money into UD’s mission to improve athletic facilities has been put on hold as we have been reliably informed that everything South of the Mason Dixon Line will be uninhabitable within a generation or two. Our dilemma is that your university is actually located East of said line, yet North of the Early Colonial Settler activist-named Transpeninsular Line. Is your proximity to the Mason Dixon Line problematic to your university’s future infrastructure plans?

Sincerely,

Cluck U


Dear Cluck U,

I could not find your school on the list of R1, R2 or R3 institutions, but we hope that Cluck U would partner with us as a fellow leader in the academic field. Your future contributions are in good hands, as you correctly noticed that UD is, indeed, East of the Mason Dixon Line. If things do go badly, you can be comforted by the fact the UD has been planning for such possibilities for quite some time. For instance, our R/V Hugh R. Sharp has a waterline length of 135’, but an overall length of 146’, allowing for an eleven-foot increase in sea level before she becomes unseaworthy.

We hope to see your contribution soon. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Sincerely,

C. Rawak
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Cluck U is way better than R1. It is at least 1RR.
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Cluck U wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:15 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:18 pm
BlueHenBill wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:35 pm

And heading right into regions where the temps will become unbelievably hot, have ncreasinly greater number & severity of destructive storms, and have decreasing supply of potable water.
BHB,

Some like it hot

19594DCEF290-E508-4A85-8ED5-27C70CE5DDDC.jpeg
:lol:

Well done, CH.

Oooooh, the Earth is warming. Coming out of an ice age does that.

Yeah but it took a bit longer than what has happened since the Industrial Age. The process of melting took thousands of years, with the most significant melting occurring during a period known as the deglaciation, which lasted from approximately 19,000 to 7,000 years ago.
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NFL Draft complete-

3 chosen from CUSA-

I understand the difference between FCS and FBS scholarship levels-

Opinions on if we will see a measurable difference in actual talent in CUSA?
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InvestedHenFan wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:00 pm NFL Draft complete-

3 chosen from CUSA-

I understand the difference between FCS and FBS scholarship levels-

Opinions on if we will see a measurable difference in actual talent in CUSA?
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