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Bluewyn Gold wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:51 am
hensfan40yrs wrote:Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:44 pmYou mean playing a sport you love while getting a free education aint enough?? Thats getting screwed?
Yes, the athletes were receiving SOME compensation, but, in many cases, it was not nearly equitable enough. Some athletes weren't even getting much of an education at all. This isn't even a point of legitimate contention anymore. The concept of athlete compensation may offend your archaic sensibilities, but the schools, conferences, the NCAA, and, most importantly, U.S. courts all disagree.

As Mr. Gannonfan, 79, and I all said, the market will correct some of the ridiculous and harmful overreaches in due time. Hang in there or don't. There are plenty of other diversions that aren't nearly as complicated.
Its pretty amazing to me that a few on here have it all figured out already, kudos
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Cluck U wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:34 pmThe lawyers will eventually make sure that high school athletes get paid. There's no stopping this train. Amateur, schmamateur...
Of course, 30 states already allow some sort of NIL for high school athletes and the Delaware DIAA is considering it.

We're only in this predicament because the country insists that athletics be tied to education. It's a silly, long outdated concept.
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Bluewyn Gold wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:51 am
hensfan40yrs wrote:Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:44 pmYou mean playing a sport you love while getting a free education aint enough?? Thats getting screwed?
Yes, the athletes were receiving SOME compensation, but, in many cases, it was not nearly equitable enough. Some athletes weren't even getting much of an education at all. This isn't even a point of legitimate contention anymore. The concept of athlete compensation may offend your archaic sensibilities, but the schools, conferences, the NCAA, and, most importantly, U.S. courts all disagree.

As Mr. Gannonfan, 79, and I all said, the market will correct some of the ridiculous and harmful overreaches in due time. Hang in there or don't. There are plenty of other diversions that aren't nearly as complicated.
the only thing I would argue on this one is that it is one of two things....1) they did not belong in college in the first place, or 2) they did not want to be there and were just there because they had to to play football.

pushing someone along who can not make it on their own does not help that individual....to the second then is they CHOOSE to not participate in the education, then they are CHOOSING to waste the opportunity given to them....much like wasting a paycheck on useless **** and ending up broke as opposed to being responsible.
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hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:56 amIts pretty amazing to me that a few on here have it all figured out already, kudos
I suppose that's just the point that several of us have made: it HAS NOT been figured out yet. The NIL/portal process is still very new and will continue to evolve and self-correct. Patience in the face of craziness is needed.

I'd be interested to hear how or why you disagree.
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Yeah, not only does nobody have this figured out, I don't think anyone is claiming they have. Don't understand the swipe there at all. This issue needs some expeditious guardrails and guidelines for sure.
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Bluewyn Gold wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:21 am
hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:56 amIts pretty amazing to me that a few on here have it all figured out already, kudos
I suppose that's just the point that several of us have made: it HAS NOT been figured out yet. The NIL/portal process is still very new and will continue to evolve and self-correct. Patience in the face of craziness is needed.

I'd be interested to hear how or why you disagree.
Patience does not change the fact that the NIL, Transfer Portal is not good for college football. Already established G5 schools win, all others struggle.
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Sorry if it appeared as a swipe, just tired of hearing the NCAA will figure it out. Appears to be a can of worms they cant close.
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hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:54 am Sorry if it appeared as a swipe, just tired of hearing the NCAA will figure it out. Appears to be a can of worms they cant close.
No doubt. Personally I don't understand why more isn't being done to rectify this. New NCAA Pres Charlie Baker is taking his time
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HENJOHN wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:07 am No doubt. Personally I don't understand why more isn't being done to rectify this. New NCAA Pres Charlie Baker is taking his time
Short answer IMO: Lawyers.
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HENJOHN wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:07 am
hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:54 am Sorry if it appeared as a swipe, just tired of hearing the NCAA will figure it out. Appears to be a can of worms they cant close.
No doubt. Personally I don't understand why more isn't being done to rectify this. New NCAA Pres Charlie Baker is taking his time
HJ, he has to take his time. There is no quick solution to this, and it can get ugly pretty quickly. The NCAA and the schools will be looking at lawsuits out the wazzoo if they try to institute too much control.

The disdain some have for a free market is funny…but the optics of telling our nation that a bunch of old men say that young athletes can’t make TOO much money off their athleticism and likeness, while the NCAA and the schools take in billions…and that the athletes will need to be “chained” to a particular school, is horrible…especially since this effort focuses mostly on the revenue sports which happen to have a large population of Black players.

There is no easy way to craft a message that honestly tells people that Old Money institutions want to make gobs and gobs of money, while limiting young athletes’ earnings, and that the institutions will collude (there’s that pesky legal definition, again) in order to do so.

The story that will need to be told is that some of the lesser athletes are “suffering” in the shadows of the top earners, so there will need to be guidelines in order to protect the masses. That is, of course, ridiculous, as no athletes suffers anything from not getting paid big bucks if they can’t find anyone to pay them what they want. But it will be the selling point to limit the big money payouts to make things more…what was that word BG used, “equitable.” Think of the children! :lol:

And how will all this benefit the University of Delaware and its athletes in the end? We aren’t going to find our way to the top of the heap. And what about Delaware State University…you absolutely know that whatever guidelines are made, they won’t be able to exclude the smaller schools getting in line to demand their fair share of the pie. The lawsuits will follow. Holy Sheetz! :lol:

No quick answer, folks. No stuffing the genie back into the bottle.

Attila gets it. :D
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HENJOHN wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:07 am
hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:54 am Sorry if it appeared as a swipe, just tired of hearing the NCAA will figure it out. Appears to be a can of worms they cant close.
No doubt. Personally I don't understand why more isn't being done to rectify this. New NCAA Pres Charlie Baker is taking his time
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I can't get involved in this thread too much, as much of it is over my head! :shock: :shock:

But I think it comes down to one thing and one thing only, Change is slow cause everyone is making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I think it's that simple

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hensfan40yrs wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:54 amSorry if it appeared as a swipe, just tired of hearing the NCAA will figure it out. Appears to be a can of worms they cant close.
I didn't suggest the NCAA (the representative organization) will ever be the agency that will solve the current predicament; to the contrary. MARKET FORCES will determine how and when saner, more workable policies will be adopted by conferences, institutions, players, and media networks. The interests of the patrons - those who fund athletic departments, buy tickets, pay student fees, purchase media access, etc. - can only be minimized or ignored for so long.

Mr. Cluck's last post is an accurate depiction of why nothing will be worked out quickly.
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Well, hopefully while all the celebrating and chaos works itself out, there will be an adult in the room somewhere within these institutions of higher learning that will be focused on these 18 year olds that are suddenly waving a Fist full of Dollars….Have some fun but remember to save some money for a rainy day kid and consider actually attending classes …
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2024 9:02 am Well, hopefully while all the celebrating and chaos works itself out, there will be an adult in the room somewhere within these institutions of higher learning that will be focused on these 18 year olds that are suddenly waving a Fist full of Dollars….Have some fun but remember to save some money for a rainy day kid and consider actually attending classes …
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Cluck U wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:01 pm
Bluewyn Gold wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:40 am The schools - particularly those in the traditional power conferences - are largely responsible for the chaos that now reigns by playing their criminally greedy games for decades. Now, the players and their reps are over-correcting way, way too far. Sadly for fans and supporters, there doesn't seem to be much common sense or sanity injected into the proceedings.

This is judgment of Solomon stuff. They're both guilty of slicing the baby in two.

Huh? Paying people what they’re worth is going too far?

On what planet?

If a kid can earn a couple million dollars playing a game, who the heck is anyone to tell them they can’t do that? A player at a college can’t earn a million or two, but a player on an NFL team can? What is that? Because a fan thinks it isn’t fair? :lol:

Good grief. Do people think they can tell an actor how much he can earn for a movie? Do you tell Wendy’s how much you think their top employees should make? Are there fan blogs where fans gripe about how much a golfer gets paid? Wait…those players that took Saudi money sure are saddened as their bank accounts balloon. :lol: Ban golf!!! Errrr…that golf, but not the other golf. Ferreners are wrecking everything.

Don’t like it? Don’t watch. No biggie. It isn’t really our team anyway. The Sixers haven’t asked for my opinion about salaries in…forever.

If the market takes a hit, the pay scale will adapt. If college sports continue to grow, even with the kids getting paid gobs of money…oh well. Pay the kids what they can get. They have every right to cash in on their talent.

Happy they can suck in other people’s money. 👍
Cluck U, All of your examples aren't relevant to college athletics because unlike college players they are pros at the highest level of their respective sport and/or employees under one type of contract or another.
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