Major NCAA roster /scholarship doings

[Brookside kid hen]

Are we going to be able to ever find 105 football schollies? I have my doubts but hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised guys. Lol

[Bluewyn Gold]

So it passed today - in 2025 when UD plays Colorado and Wake Forest they’ll be playing rosters with 105 scholarships. How many will UD have?

Unless they change the playing rules between now and 2025, both sides will field no more than 11 per side on offense, defense, and special teams per play. Now, it might SEEM like the other side's playing more against our 11, but I'm sure if we count heads, it'll come out even.

[Drunkindeweyagain]

Had some time to digest this a bit. And if I understand it completely, it may not be all that bad for football.

At first glance, this seemed like the Big Boys setting up more rules to further separate P4 (P2) from the G5 but after a closer look it might not be as bad as I had first thought (for football).

Current State:
Current fbs rosters are at 120
- teams have 85 scholarships
- teams can have up to 35 walk ons

New Rules:
New rules will be that rosters will be at 105 (down from 120)
- So new rules provide 20 extra schollies to pay for some of the walk ons
NOTE: These Big school walk ons may be getting NIL at current time, so possibly a wash

Benefit to G5 (and UD)
- Reduction of 120 to 105 will benefit small conferences, as more kids now available (1000+ p4 kids looking for a new home). Most of these kids can still play but don’t have shot, and will mostly filter into G5.
- Quick math says the 90-100 G5 schools now have 1000 P4 athletes available meaning 10 kids/ school available to G5 from P4
- Increase of schollies for G5 may help those schools which don’t have a robust NIL system

New rules say that you can now do partial scholarships
- while current rules state all 85 schollies are 100%, new rules state you can give out some partials (to those over 85)
- students who qualify for other aid/grants can now be granted partial scholarships which might not affect overall budgets as much
- increase of full and partials can allow you to take more chances on HS kids
Possible benefit for UD: With UD having good academics, we may get some higher level academic kids (ex: newly signed Tampa QB who is enrolling as a Mech Eng major). By connecting dots; Good academic schools, could get better scholars which would get other academic $, which could allow for partial schollies, which could help athletic scholarship budgets

Overall outlook:
While this may affect G5 some….FCS is where the real unfair advantage will be, as more good athletes will be held on G5 squads, and the best FCS will flex up to FBS (and worst FBS flex down to FCS)

So for football, it seems like a wash or possibly some upside for G5 schools (those that can manage this well). As for baseball, well I think we are ….’d.

[jd of de]

Benefit to G5 (and UD)
- Reduction of 120 to 105 will benefit small conferences, as more kids now available (1000+ p4 kids looking for a new home). Most of these kids can still play but don’t have shot, and will mostly filter into G5.
- Quick math says the 90-100 G5 schools now have 1000 P4 athletes available meaning 10 kids/ school available to G5 from P4
- Increase of schollies for G5 may help those schools which don’t have a robust NIL system

When the football scholarship limits were first put in place in the very early 70's, that had the same effect you are laying out here and it broke the stranglehold Ohio State and Michigan had on the Big Ten, UCLA and USC had on the Pac 8/10, etc.

Roster reductions to 105 is good for everyone below the Power 2 conferences.

[Hengrad07]

FH still stuck at 12?

[Cluck U]

DrunkattheBottle&Corkagain…or Rusty Rudder…Starboard…etc.,

frankly, it will most likely come down to whether a student-athlete wants one of the guaranteed extra 25 spots (scholarships) or would gamble on a roster spot with the extra BigSchool NIL money…versus a guaranteed FBS scholarship.

And, that ALSO depends on which FBS schools can add 25 football scholarships while still balancing TitleWhatever number. That will be a problem.

Fun times ahead.

[topstraight]

Had some time to digest this a bit. And if I understand it completely, it may not be all that bad for football.

At first glance, this seemed like the Big Boys setting up more rules to further separate P4 (P2) from the G5 but after a closer look it might not be as bad as I had first thought (for football).

Current State:
Current fbs rosters are at 120
- teams have 85 scholarships
- teams can have up to 35 walk ons

New Rules:
New rules will be that rosters will be at 105 (down from 120)
- So new rules provide 20 extra schollies to pay for some of the walk ons
NOTE: These Big school walk ons may be getting NIL at current time, so possibly a wash

Benefit to G5 (and UD)
- Reduction of 120 to 105 will benefit small conferences, as more kids now available (1000+ p4 kids looking for a new home). Most of these kids can still play but don’t have shot, and will mostly filter into G5.
- Quick math says the 90-100 G5 schools now have 1000 P4 athletes available meaning 10 kids/ school available to G5 from P4
- Increase of schollies for G5 may help those schools which don’t have a robust NIL system

New rules say that you can now do partial scholarships
- while current rules state all 85 schollies are 100%, new rules state you can give out some partials (to those over 85)
- students who qualify for other aid/grants can now be granted partial scholarships which might not affect overall budgets as much
- increase of full and partials can allow you to take more chances on HS kids
Possible benefit for UD: With UD having good academics, we may get some higher level academic kids (ex: newly signed Tampa QB who is enrolling as a Mech Eng major). By connecting dots; Good academic schools, could get better scholars which would get other academic $, which could allow for partial schollies, which could help athletic scholarship budgets

Overall outlook:
While this may affect G5 some….FCS is where the real unfair advantage will be, as more good athletes will be held on G5 squads, and the best FCS will flex up to FBS (and worst FBS flex down to FCS)

So for football, it seems like a wash or possibly some upside for G5 schools (those that can manage this well). As for baseball, well I think we are ….’d.

Excellent Post!

I took some time to do the research...

P4 will be 68 schools (incl ND).

G5 will be 68 schools (including Wash St., Ore St., UCONN, UMASS, UD, Mo St.).

So... close to 1,020 players that P4 can no longer "store" on their rosters as "walk-ons".

That calculates to be an average of 15 players available per G5 school-- in "theory". Of course a few of those could transfer to other P4's and possibly make their teams or even drop to fcs for more playing time--but you get the idea.

EDIT--- I deleted the rest of my original post from 4:02 pm, Sun.---because according to many reports these new roster/ scholarship limits being talked about may not even apply to G5 unless a school decides to share revenue with athletes--which most will NOT (since they don't have enough revenue). Things are unclear at this time as the situation continues to evolve.

[Bluewyn Gold]

Great posts here. Thanks to those contributing. Sincerely appreciate the context.

I've learned something today - as I seem to do almost every day - about the changes going on in college sports. They're coming fast and furious, aren't they?!

[Cluck U]

Dizzying.

[hensfan40yrs]

Dizzying.

yes, my head hurts

[dchen]

FH still stuck at 12?

This all arises from the NCAA settlement of lawsuits which was filed with a court for approval. My understanding from one of the analyses of the settlement is that it sets roster limits for all sports (ie the 105 referenced above for football) and that schools may fund schollies up to those roster limits. The proposed roster limit for FH is 27 and 48 for MLAX. I doubt that smaller programs will be able to fund these extra schollies and now the larger schools will prevail in recruiting. Especially in non revenue sports like FH and LAX. This could hurt the Hens.

[Bluewyn Gold]

Not to bring law and politics to the discussion, but how this will shake out may have much to do with the results of House vs. the NCAA settlement and the SCOTUS's overturning of Chevron. Sadly, the future application of Title IX hangs in the balance.

[Hengrad07]

FH still stuck at 12?

This all arises from the NCAA settlement of lawsuits which was filed with a court for approval. My understanding from one of the analyses of the settlement is that it sets roster limits for all sports (ie the 105 referenced above for football) and that schools may fund schollies up to those roster limits. The proposed roster limit for FH is 27 and 48 for MLAX. I doubt that smaller programs will be able to fund these extra schollies and now the larger schools will prevail in recruiting. Especially in non revenue sports like FH and LAX. This could hurt the Hens.

If true, and the hens are no longer competitive, say good bye to Rolf. There will be a few opportunities open up within driving distance of his wife’s family in NJ, including UMD over the next few years. Rolf could even be a candidate in College Park, regardless of any changes.

[UDPat]

I knew a guy for years that was in the Nittany Lion club after graduation, after about 10 years of donating, He was so close to season tixs, If he gave X He would then have the # of points a full season plan. Next year the # of points went up, so He chased that tail for about 10 more years.

Never got his season tixs!!! Now I know He could He have made the BIG splash and got them.

They HAD to make the move. The Hens can call themselves D1 but are they??? Do any of these changes benefit the Hens??? That's different then saying the Hens CAN take advantage of moving up. But the landscape has change significantly since they made the announcement.

I only know 3 things about women and one of them is this: "Just when you think you know all the answers, They change the questions."

That is what this move up is starting to sound like to me???

My apologies for the negative outlook

[finpxz1]

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”…Abraham Lincoln.

I think some posters on gohens could learn from this.