Will Delaware join UMass to the MAC

[Sitting bull]

I can read. No need to get condescending, it’s sports board. And the topic is interesting. Try participating without insulting people. Dude.

In fairness to you as our guest here, you really stepped in the shxtting bullstuff with your "P5 is moving up. G5 isn't" canard. How could you have known that a former disgraced UD AD peddled a remarkably nonsensical aphorism while helping to dismantle the UD football program?

You either don't know or don't care that various Delaware administrations have put our fanbase through the wringer over the last 20+ years. Yeah, we're a little sensitive to sniffing out stink when read or hear it. The sort of crapola that might pass for wisdom with the 'Burg's ancient QB Clubbers or Richmond's red sweater crowd just won't cut it here.

Recommendation: if you want to avoid becoming a complete pariah on GoHens, Google search "Eric Ziady quotes" and avoid posting them here at all cost. Otherwise, proceed at your own risk.

Point taken, I’ll stay away, I’ve actually been a fan an admirer of UD since Tubby. I get the overwhelming consensus here is anti CAA and FBS. Just sharing some other thoughts but to your point, it’s not welcome here.

I really don’t think there is a big difference in FCS and G5. It’s just an opinion. Didn’t realize I was quoting an unpopular AD or it made someone a pariah,

A few of your posters are favs of mine / they’re polite and we have good discussions. Some even visit the Tribe board.

[Roger_Podacter]

FCS is the third level of Football, to GF's point, AND there are tiers within this level. Just like within FBS .

FCS has 1) Dakotas etc.... 2) Delawares etc.... 3)Del States etc...

[bluehenbillk]

FCS is the third level of Football, to GF's point, AND there are tiers within this level. Just like within FBS .

FCS has 1) Dakotas etc.... 2) Delawares etc.... 3)Del States etc...

Yep well said - for every SDSU or Montana St in FCS there’s a bad team from somewhere else. No one is going to argue that P5 > G5 > FCS > D2 > D3

[Roger_Podacter]

Agreed, Bill. ^^^^^

Just look at the FCS Playoff Bracket when it comes out at the end of the season.

24 freaking teams??!! Pretty much right away we all know that 12 to 16 teams have no chance to win the Championship.

Delaware gets an easy, regional win vs. a cupcake. Gets stomped the next round. Yay!

[Cluck U]

Agreed, Bill. ^^^^^

Just look at the FCS Playoff Bracket when it comes out at the end of the season.

24 freaking teams??!! Pretty much right away we all know that 12 to 16 teams have no chance to win the Championship.

Delaware gets an easy, regional win vs. a cupcake. Gets stomped the next round. Yay!

Forget the 12 having no chance…even 16 is giving 8 a chance. Narrow that to 3-5 and that is more accurate.

Also, we have a chance to win a second round game…that depends on the match ups. But, we aren’t winning the whole thing this year. Nope.

[Caribbean Hen]

Agreed, Bill. ^^^^^

Just look at the FCS Playoff Bracket when it comes out at the end of the season.

24 freaking teams??!! Pretty much right away we all know that 12 to 16 teams have no chance to win the Championship.

Delaware gets an easy, regional win vs. a cupcake. Gets stomped the next round. Yay!

Roger

For the past decade I would say around 22 teams had no chance really

[Bluewyn Gold]

Point taken, I’ll stay away, I’ve actually been a fan an admirer of UD since Tubby. I get the overwhelming consensus here is anti CAA and FBS. Just sharing some other thoughts but to your point, it’s not welcome here.

I really don’t think there is a big difference in FCS and G5. It’s just an opinion. Didn’t realize I was quoting an unpopular AD or it made someone a pariah,

A few of your posters are favs of mine / they’re polite and we have good discussions. Some even visit the Tribe board.

A couple of points.

First off, please don't stay away from GoHens; I think most here appreciate dissenting opinions. Untrue and lazy generalizations like "P5 is moving up. G5 isn't" should expect pushback, especially after what the Hen faithful have been put through this millennium. We clearly understand that some top FCS programs can compete with bottom-to-middle FBS teams on any given game day. There's far more to it than that, and there's even more to it than just football.

Second point, I wouldn't say that many of our fans are anti-CAA or FCS so much as they believe neither are good fits for UD sports. We've witnessed the inarguable competitive decline of the subdivision, CAA FB, and the CAA over the last 20 years, and our attendance for football & hoops has cratered as a result. At long last, the administration seem open to trying something new because continuing to stand pat just isn't feasible. There are very few schools left in the CAA and CAA FB that the UD brass would consider an academic peer or who fit a similar institutional profile. That's just the reality and something that matters to them.

Being a long-time follower of UD, you probably realize that the school has been ultra-conservative when it comes to aggressively promoting athletics, and extremely slow and deliberate when considering conference changes, usually to a fault. No doubt the school understands the plusses and minuses of football reclassification. Any decision they make about leaving the CAA will be driven by economics and competitive factors.

FBS football might not be right for W&M, Richmond, or Towson, and that's perfectly understandable. But suggesting it's automatically a bad move for UD without honestly examining why 80% of our fans would disagree with you is simply not respectful, nor does it encourage good discussion.

[Caribbean Hen]

Thanks Bluewyn Gold

You just took my Saul Goodman style what’s in it for the fans post and put some Charles “Chuck” McGill type professionalism and style to it.. the answer is not much really but it’s the right thing to do unless you want Marist knocking on the door

[Miami (Oh) Yeah !]

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MiamiO has ended the season in the Top 15 in the country 4 times. Has any other G5 (or FCS) team done that?
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Welcome to the MAC Delaware (in 2 years).

[bluehenbillk]

What years were these?

[Cluck U]

When #23 Bowling Green met #15 Miami and ESPN Game Day came to town with Corso, Herbstreit...
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Welcome to the MAC Delaware (in 2 years).

Thanks for the memories.

20 years ago, in 2003, our Delaware Blue Hens, under KC Keeler, won our only FCS/I-AA national championship.

If we stay in FCS, hopefully Carty will get us another one.

[72 Hen]

First, I am not speaking bad about Coach Keeler. I always liked him and I still do. I am only speaking about SHSU's move to the FBS. They are 0 and 5 so far. They were not ready to move up and I don't want us to follow in their footsteps. Their attendance is so so. I believe our move up will come. I believe we have plans to do so. We need to be patient. Let's enjoy who we are now and allow Coach Carty the time he needs to build our program to where it needs to be prior to the move up is announced.

[Bluewyn Gold]

First, I am not speaking bad about Coach Keeler. I always liked him and I still do. I am only speaking about SHSU's move to the FBS. They are 0 and 5 so far.

It typically takes time to build an FBS roster through recruiting, Mr. 72. Any guesses what Boise State's record was the first year they moved to I-A?Anyone expecting immediate success is bound to be disappointed. Of course, every circumstance is different. The next 3-4 years should tell a lot about KC's ability to turn Sam into a winning program.

Personally, I'm skeptical about Sam's chances of competing, but it's got very little to do with Keeler and more to do with the school's ability to support an FBS program.

[Cluck U]

Meh, they’ve lost some heartbreakers. We have had plenty of bad seasons during our 40+ years in this subdivision.

The biggest issue is how much support the fans and administration will give to our football team. Tubby and Keeler were handcuffed by our admin while other schools were passing us by and leaving us in the dust.

That changed recently. Fully funded schollies and stadium improvements have given our recent coaches a leg up on other FCS schools…but our program building coaches were not up to the task. Hopefully, Carty will be different. IF (and it is a big if) we do end up putting $100M into facilities, get marketing smart and attract large chunks of NIL money for our players, and get enough money for more coaches (cough…special teams…cough), then we can compete successfully at the next level (and we could do it pretty quickly).

As you say, winning is fun…all things being equal. But, I could endure a couple tough transition years if it meant moving up.

B&G nailed it.

[UD '01 grad]

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