I’m awake - UD to CUSA

[Cluck U]

Speaking of Keeler, with three wins this season:

KC CAREER VICTORIES BY SCHOOL

Sam Houston State: 88
Rowan: 88
Delaware: 86

Plenty of playoff victories in those numbers. Damned shame he couldn’t pull off three more wins to snag a Bowl game. Maybe next year.

Victories in three football divisions with three different schools…and two chippers.

[hoopster]

Sam Houston St. and Kennesaw State will have lower seating capacity than UD. UTEP will have the largest at 50,000+ as they play in the Sun Bowl. A great backdrop to watch football.

[Youdee Blues]

You need more than 18 extra scholies to make up for football. I believe the formula is equivalency based on the ratio of male to female enrollment. If the university is 60% female 40% male an additional 22 more football scholies means 33 more female scholies. A big "thank you" to former U.S. senator, Patsy Schroeder.

It's probably somewhere between those numbers. There's a "participation rate" versus the enrollment mix as well. I believe the numbers from 2022 had UD at 328 female scholarships versus the men at 306 (428 if you count duplicate sports). If 60% of the participants in the school’s athletic program are women, then women should receive about 60% of the available athletic financial assistance. How much does an increase of 22 men really affect those percentages? It's not this straight forward or simple, but I did some silly math based on the reported 2022 numbers:
17,986 total enrollment with 7422 males and 10,564 females, which is a 41.27% versus 58.73% enrollment mix.
Add 22 males to this gives: 18,008 total with now 7,444 males and the same 10,564 females. Now it's a 41.34% and 58.66% mix overall. Then the participation rate kicks in on based those numbers. Adding one women's program just may be enough.

[Baltimore Hen]

You need more than 18 extra scholies to make up for football. I believe the formula is equivalency based on the ratio of male to female enrollment. If the university is 60% female 40% male an additional 22 more football scholies means 33 more female scholies. A big "thank you" to former U.S. senator, Patsy Schroeder.

It's probably somewhere between those numbers. There's a "participation rate" versus the enrollment mix as well. I believe the numbers from 2022 had UD at 328 female scholarships versus the men at 306 (428 if you count duplicate sports). If 60% of the participants in the school’s athletic program are women, then women should receive about 60% of the available athletic financial assistance. How much does an increase of 22 men really affect those percentages? It's not this straight forward or simple, but I did some silly math based on the reported 2022 numbers:
17,986 total enrollment with 7422 males and 10,564 females, which is a 41.27% versus 58.73% enrollment mix.
Add 22 males to this gives: 18,008 total with now 7,444 males and the same 10,564 females. Now it's a 41.34% and 58.66% mix overall. Then the participation rate kicks in on based those numbers. Adding one women's program just may be enough.

I think it is safe to say that Rawak and company have done the math that they need to do to determine what they need to do to comply with title nine she is determined that adding one women’s sport is what they need to do then that is what they need to do and no one on this board really needs to question that

[Hengrad07]

Women’s ice hockey allows 18 scholarships.

[BlueHenBill]

With all of the coverage of UD's move, I read somewhere (but can't remember where) that UD will have the smallest seating capacity stadium of any FBS program. From the North Endzone project drawings that have been posted it appears that the additional seats to be added by that project will not be significant and will not improve DE Stadium's ranking. I know that DE Stadium is unlikely to need additional seats as demand is not likely to approach much less to exceed capacity for the foreseeable future. The new building to be erected just north of the stadium is a at this time higher priority to the program. However, once UD's athletic facilities other than DE Stadium are up to snuff for FBS with the completion of that building, the small size of DE Stadium might become a significantly more important factor that negatively impacts recruiting and the growth/success of the program going forward. I wonder what longer range plans if any UD has to significantly increase the seating capacity of DE Stadium.

UD won’t even have the smallest stadium in their conference, let alone FBS.

Udforever, You are correct. The info I read somewhere was incorrect. The smallest FB stadium capacity among 133 current FBS programs is
Sam Houston State with 14,000. Future FCS & CSUA member in 2024 Kennesaw State has a "permanent capacity" of 8,300 but can allegedly accommodate an additional 13,000 for a supposed total capacity of 21,300 fans. Seven of the other 8 CUSA stadium capacities range from a low of 22,113 (W. KY) to a high of 31,000 with five with 5 ranging from 22,113 to 25,000. There are only 3 current CUSA members with capacities above 25,000 - N. Mexico at 30,343, Middle TN at 31,000, and UTEP at 46,670. Thirty-five of the current 133 FCS members (including CUSA) have stadium capacities of less that 31,000. Charlotte has only 15,314 and Coastal Carolina has 20,000. Eight of the remaining 33 have capacities ranging from 30,000 to 31,000. Seven others have capacities ranging from 25,000 to less than 30,000. The remaining 18 range from a low of 22,113 to a high of less than 25,000.

UD currently has a capacity of 18,500 putting UD above only Sam Houston State among current/known future FBS members. Does anyone have any idea they can share as to the number of seats to be added as part of the planned N. Endzone project? From the North Endzone project drawings that have been posted it appears that the additional seats to be added by that project will not be significant and will not improve DE Stadium's ranking. If as planned UD proceeds to re-do the center three sections of the East Stands as was done for the West Stands, assume that the East Stands will lose the same number of seats as the West Stands did or minus 3,500 seats reducing DE Stadium capacity to 15,000 plus whatever the planned N Endzone project adds. Again as I posted above, I know that DE Stadium is unlikely to need additional seats as demand is not likely to approach much less to exceed capacity for the foreseeable future. The new building to be erected just north of the stadium is at this time higher priority to the program. However, once UD's athletic facilities other than DE Stadium are up to snuff for FBS with the completion of that building, the small size of DE Stadium might become a significantly more important factor that negatively impacts recruiting and the growth/success of the program going forward. I wonder what longer range plans if any UD has to significantly increase the seating capacity of DE Stadium, hopefully to at least 22,000-25,000 or more as the first step of an ultimately larger expansion.

[Bluewyn Gold]

President Assanis alluded to future stadium expansion in the presser, William. You'll need to watch it on YouTube.

The plans for the end zone structure expansion don't appear to have been finalized and only conceptual drawing has been circulated. It's remarkably similar to the structure at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadia. Undoubtedly, a few thousand more seats will be incorporated into that new structure.

The current facility will be perfectly fine as is for CUSA play and will only grow as interest in the program increases. It'll take time.

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[Baltimore Hen]

Udforever, You are correct. The info I read somewhere was incorrect. The smallest FB stadium capacity among 133 current FBS programs is
Sam Houston State with 14,000. Future FCS & CSUA member in 2024 Kennesaw State has a "permanent capacity" of 8,300 but can allegedly accommodate an additional 13,000 for a supposed total capacity of 21,300 fans. Seven of the other 8 CUSA stadium capacities range from a low of 22,113 (W. KY) to a high of 31,000 with five with 5 ranging from 22,113 to 25,000. There are only 3 current CUSA members with capacities above 25,000 - N. Mexico at 30,343, Middle TN at 31,000, and UTEP at 46,670. Thirty-five of the current 133 FCS members (including CUSA) have stadium capacities of less that 31,000. Charlotte has only 15,314 and Coastal Carolina has 20,000. Eight of the remaining 33 have capacities ranging from 30,000 to 31,000. Seven others have capacities ranging from 25,000 to less than 30,000. The remaining 18 range from a low of 22,113 to a high of less than 25,000.

UD currently has a capacity of 18,500 putting UD above only Sam Houston State among current/known future FBS members. Does anyone have any idea they can share as to the number of seats to be added as part of the planned N. Endzone project? From the North Endzone project drawings that have been posted it appears that the additional seats to be added by that project will not be significant and will not improve DE Stadium's ranking. If as planned UD proceeds to re-do the center three sections of the East Stands as was done for the West Stands, assume that the East Stands will lose the same number of seats as the West Stands did or minus 3,500 seats reducing DE Stadium capacity to 15,000 plus whatever the planned N Endzone project adds. Again as I posted above, I know that DE Stadium is unlikely to need additional seats as demand is not likely to approach much less to exceed capacity for the foreseeable future. The new building to be erected just north of the stadium is at this time higher priority to the program. However, once UD's athletic facilities other than DE Stadium are up to snuff for FBS with the completion of that building, the small size of DE Stadium might become a significantly more important factor that negatively impacts recruiting and the growth/success of the program going forward. I wonder what longer range plans if any UD has to significantly increase the seating capacity of DE Stadium, hopefully to at least 22,000-25,000 or more as the first step of an ultimately larger expansion.

oh bill....the east grandstand reno of the center 3 sections will not involve the destruction og a vast majority of the centerof the grandstand for a presidents box nor will it involve the destruction of the lower rows for a club section. so the loss of seating will be nowhere near that of the west grandstand reno

[BlueHenBill]

Udforever, You are correct. The info I read somewhere was incorrect. The smallest FB stadium capacity among 133 current FBS programs is
Sam Houston State with 14,000. Future FCS & CSUA member in 2024 Kennesaw State has a "permanent capacity" of 8,300 but can allegedly accommodate an additional 13,000 for a supposed total capacity of 21,300 fans. Seven of the other 8 CUSA stadium capacities range from a low of 22,113 (W. KY) to a high of 31,000 with five with 5 ranging from 22,113 to 25,000. There are only 3 current CUSA members with capacities above 25,000 - N. Mexico at 30,343, Middle TN at 31,000, and UTEP at 46,670. Thirty-five of the current 133 FCS members (including CUSA) have stadium capacities of less that 31,000. Charlotte has only 15,314 and Coastal Carolina has 20,000. Eight of the remaining 33 have capacities ranging from 30,000 to 31,000. Seven others have capacities ranging from 25,000 to less than 30,000. The remaining 18 range from a low of 22,113 to a high of less than 25,000.

UD currently has a capacity of 18,500 putting UD above only Sam Houston State among current/known future FBS members. Does anyone have any idea they can share as to the number of seats to be added as part of the planned N. Endzone project? From the North Endzone project drawings that have been posted it appears that the additional seats to be added by that project will not be significant and will not improve DE Stadium's ranking. If as planned UD proceeds to re-do the center three sections of the East Stands as was done for the West Stands, assume that the East Stands will lose the same number of seats as the West Stands did or minus 3,500 seats reducing DE Stadium capacity to 15,000 plus whatever the planned
N Endzone project adds. Again as I posted above, I know that DE Stadium is unlikely to need additional seats as demand is not likely to approach much less to exceed capacity for the foreseeable future. The new building to be erected just north of the stadium is at this time higher priority to the program. However, once UD's athletic facilities other than DE Stadium are up to snuff for FBS with the completion of that building, the small size of DE Stadium might become a significantly more important factor that negatively impacts recruiting and the growth/success of the program going forward. I wonder what longer range plans if any UD has to significantly increase the seating capacity of DE Stadium, hopefully to at least 22,000-25,000 or more as the first step of an ultimately larger expansion.

oh bill....the east grandstand reno of the center 3 sections will not involve the destruction og a vast majority of the centerof the grandstand for a presidents box nor will it involve the destruction of the lower rows for a club section. so the loss of seating will be nowhere near that of the west grandstand reno

Baltimore Hen, Accepting for the time being that you are correct, the planned re-do of the three center sections of the East Stands will still result in fewer seats just by replacing bench seats with chair backs, no? So DE Stadium with some loss of seats in the East Stands and apparently with only a relatively minor addition of seats in the N End zone project will still be among the FBS stadiums with the very smallest of seating capacities, no? As such, the small seating capacity of DE Stadium might become a significantly more important factor that negatively impacts recruiting and the growth/success of the program going forward, no? Therefore, plans need to be made to in the intermediate term to significantly increase DE Stadium's seating capacity hopefully to at least 22,000-25,000 or more as the first step of an ultimately larger expansion, no? Or do you disagree with me completely that the future success of the program will require a significant expansion of the seating capacity in the intermediate (not near or long) term?

[Caribbean Hen]

CUSA average attendance is similar to Delaware and certainly much better than the MAC

https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/


2023

Middle Tennessee 13,219
New Mexico State. 14,847
FIU. 15,290
Western Kentucky 15,710
Louisiana Tech 15,796
UTEP 18,160
Liberty 18,911
Jacksonville State 20,033

[BlueHenBill]

CUSA average attendance is similar to Delaware and certainly much better than the MAC

https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/


2023

Middle Tennessee 13,219
New Mexico State. 14,847
FIU. 15,290
Western Kentucky 15,710
Louisiana Tech 15,796
UTEP 18,160
Liberty 18,911
Jacksonville State 20,033

What about SHU and New Mexico? So hopefully UD's attendance will be very competitive with at least most of the CUSA. That would mitigate any disadvantage in terms of DE Stadium's smaller seating capacity. However, presumably a not insignificant number of UD's prospective recruits do not get the opportunity to visit UD on a home game day and that number may increase as UD recruiting goes further afield. The smaller capacity of an empty DE Stadium might make a negative impression on visiting recruits in comparison to that of CUSA members and other FBS programs that UD will be competing with for recruits.

[Udforever1]

CUSA average attendance is similar to Delaware and certainly much better than the MAC

https://www.d1ticker.com/2023-fbs-attendance-trends/


2023

Middle Tennessee 13,219
New Mexico State. 14,847
FIU. 15,290
Western Kentucky 15,710
Louisiana Tech 15,796
UTEP 18,160
Liberty 18,911
Jacksonville State 20,033

What about SHU and New Mexico? So hopefully UD's attendance will be very competitive with at least most of the CUSA. That would mitigate any disadvantage in terms of DE Stadium's smaller seating capacity. However, presumably a not insignificant number of UD's prospective recruits do not get the opportunity to visit UD on a home game day and that number may increase as UD recruiting goes further afield. The smaller capacity of an empty DE Stadium might make a negative impression on visiting recruits in comparison to that of CUSA members and other FBS programs that UD will be competing with for recruits.

What won’t make a negative impression though is the exposure, the national television, the campus, the top academics, the Whitney, the new practice facility…

An empty Delaware stadium certainly didn’t hurt Tyler Burnham committing here after the UNH game.

[Caribbean Hen]

Sam Houston 8298

That site lists NM St as CUSA, not New Mexico but I know next to nothing about CUSA BHB… rebooting and starting from scratch

[hensfan40yrs]

just watched "the touchback" on youtube about Delawares move up, campus and stadium comments, wasnt pretty. made me a little mad.

[Info Hound]

You made me look at it. It just a goofball site, not worth paying any attention to.